SCHMIDT, NORMAN
Remains Returned March 1974, Killed in Captivity
Name: Norman Schmidt
Rank/Branch: O4/US Air Force
Unit:
Date of Birth: 07 July 1926
Home City of Record: Ben Lomond CA
Date of Loss: 01 September 1966
Country of Loss: North Vietnam
Loss Coordinates: 173700N 1062100E (XE432444)
Status (in 1973): Prisoner of War
Category: 1
Aircraft/Vehicle/Ground: F104
Refno: 0442
Other Personnel in Incident: Hubert C. Nichols, Jr. (missing)
Source: Compiled by Homecoming II Project 30 June 1990 from one or more of
the following: raw data from U.S. Government agency sources, correspondence
with POW/MIA families, published sources, interviews. Updated by the P.O.W.
NETWORK 1998.
REMARKS: 740300 REMAINS RETURNED
EGRESS: Called out of romm for routine quiz and never seen again.
SYNOPSIS: The Douglas A1 Skyraider ("Spad") is a highly maneuverable,
propeller driven aircraft designed as a multipurpose attack bomber or
utility aircraft. The A1 was first used by the Air Force in its Tactical Air
Command to equip the first Air Commando Group engaged in counterinsurgency
operations in South Vietnam, and later used in a variety of roles, ranging
from multi-seat electronic intelligence gathering to Navy antisubmarine
warfare and rescue missions. The venerable fighter aircraft flew in more
than twenty model variations, probably more than any other U.S. combat
aircraft.
The general procedure for a rescue escort entailed two A1 aircraft flying
directly to the search area to look for sign of the downed crewman while two
other A1s escorted the rescue helicopter to the area. If it was necessary,
the A1s would attack enemy in the area with bombs, rockets and cannon fire
so that the helicopter could land.
Major Hubert C. Nichols, Jr. was an A1 pilot on a temporary duty assignment
to the 602nd Tactical Fighter Squadron based at Nakhon Phanom Airbase,
Thailand. At 1235 hours on September 1, 1966, Nichols departed the base as
the pilot of the lead aircraft in a flight of two A1Es (Sandy 31 and Sandy
32) on a search mission 13 miles northwest of Dong Hoi, Quang Binh
Province, North Vietnam.
The weather was cloudy with a 500-foot ceiling. The mission was to locate
Major Norman Schmidt, whose F104 aircraft had been shot down by hostile
ground fire.
Nichols and his wingman, Capt. Alvie L. Minnick, were told by Crown Control
to pick up and orbit with two helicopters some 10 miles off shore. Sandy 31
and Sandy 32 remained as escort for approximately one hour and twenty
minutes at which time Crown Control told Sandy 31 (Nichols) that he was now
the "on-scene commander" and to proceed to the area and relieve two Navy A1s
who had been covering Schmidt's position.
Nichols and Minnick proceeded to Schmidt's location and spotted the flare
parachute from his aircraft at once. They continued their search, flying in
an east and south direction. At about 1510, still flying a search pattern
over Schmidt's general location, Minnick, observed heavy 37mm ground fire to
the right of their line of flight and radioed Nichols to make a fast turn to
the left. Minnick saw Nichols enter his turn, and his own aircraft was then
struck by ground fire and he lost sight of Nichols' aircraft. Being fully
occupied with maneuvering his damaged aircraft back to friendly territory,
the wingman made no further observation of the lead aircraft and no radio
transmissions were received from Maj. Nichols.
A Navy pilot of an A1H aircraft of Papoose flight from the aircraft carrier
USS INTREPID, who was flying in the area observed a burning aircraft and
reported its location. Nearby search units located the wreckage and, after
confirming that Maj. Nichols' aircraft was missing, searched the area for
about 30 minutes, but failed to see any signs of life. No parachute was seen
in the area and no electronic signals were received. Search efforts were
suspended at 1530 hours because of extremely heavy ground fire.
Capt. Minnick nursed his crippled aircraft almost back to the base at Nakhon
Phanom, but he was forced to eject near the base, and was subsequently
recovered by a "Jolly Green" flown by Oliver E. O'Maru, and was uninjured.
During 1 and 6 September 1966 Radio Hanoi broadcasts transcribed by the
Foreign Broadcast Information Service, claims were made of the shooting down
of U.S. aircraft in Quang Binh Province on 1 September 1966 and the capture
of the pilots. Although the newscasts varied as to the number and type of
planes shot down, the date and location coincide with the loss of Major
Nichols' aircraft. No names were mentioned in the broadcast.
Major Norman Schmidt was never rescued. He was captured by the North
Vietnamese and taken to Hanoi where he was held with other Americans in the
infamous "Hanoi Hilton," the Hoa Lo prison complex.
It was commonplace for American prisoners to be taken at regular intervals
for "interrogation" or "quiz" which sometimes amounted to brutal torture,
sometimes psychological, but more often physical in nature. One day in
August 1967, when Norm Schmidt was living in the area of Hoa Lo called
Little Vegas, he was taken to quiz and never returned. The quiz room was
fairly close to the cellblock area, and returning POWs reported that they
heard a scuffle, and when Schmidt did not return, they believed that the
Vietnamese had beaten him to death.
Norm Schmidt's remains were returned to U.S. control in March, 1974, one
year after his fellow POWs were released from Hanoi. No further information
was ever received about Major Nichols.
During regular "negotiation" sessions between the U.S. and Vietnam,
information was given to the Vietnamese in 1973, 1974 and 1975 on Major
Nichols in the hopes that the Vietnamese would provide further information
on him. The Vietnamese have denied any knowledge of the fate of Major
Nichols.
Since the war ended, over 10,000 reports relating to Americans prisoner,
missing or unaccounted for in Southeast Asia have been received by the U.S.
There is little question that the Vietnamese can provide information about
Hubert C. Nichols.
Tragically, many authorities who have reviewed the largely-classified
information relating to Americans missing in Southeast Asia have come away
with the belief that hundreds of Americans are still alive in captivity
today. Whether Hubert C. Campbell, Jr. is among them is not known. What is
certain, however, is that we must do everything in our power to bring these
men home.
Hubert C. Nichols, Jr. was promoted to the rank of Colonel during the period
he was maintained missing. Norman Schmidt was promoted to the rank of
Lieutenant Colonel during the period he was a prisoner of war.
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{NOTE- pictures were included in this file -- please contact LET FREEDOM RING
for a copy of this that includes the photos}
LET FREEDOM RING
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
PRESS RELEASE -JUNE 12, 1995
TOP SECRET PHOTOS PROVIDE NEW EVIDENCE -
AMERICAN PILOTS LAST KNOWN ALIVE ABANDONED IN VIETNAM
Contact Persons: Arnold L. Beizer Tel. 203-524-1776
Walter "Radar" O'Reilly Tel. 813-843-0431
NORMAN SCHMIDT - The accompanying photograph of Lieutenant Colonel
Norman Schmidt, Airforce Pilot who was shot down near Quang Binh, North
Vietnam in his F104 reveals that he was captured alive, yet his remains were
returned in 1974. This photo of Lieutenant Colonel Schmidt shows him to be
alive in captivity in apparent good health. Major Schmidt was captured and
held in the Hanoi Hilton also known as the Hoa Lo Prison. It was believed
Schmidt was beaten to death in captivity. Major Herbert C. Nichols, Jr. who
was looking for Schmidt's downed aircraft was himself downed in the same
vicinity and reports from Hanoi's radio broadcast claimed that his aircraft
had been shot down. The Vietnamese have denied knowledge of the whereabouts
of Major Nichols. He's never returned. Perhaps the Senate Investigating
Committee ought to do some more investigating on what happened to Schmidt
and Nichols.
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[insi09.94 09/24/94]
THE INSIDER SEPTEMBER 1994
136. Schmidt, Norman
He was reported by 142 returnees of which 14 reports were 1st hand direct
contact. B098 saw him as did C018, C099, D060, F047, F052, J025, L039, L042,
N022, P060, R039, R046, & S097 who saw him in HaLo & Little Vegas. D058 was
a prisoner with him in the same cell.
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[TRANSCRIPT OF THE GERMAN FILM, WAS NOT OBTAINED FROM THE USG
Column 1, is what is seen on the film
Column 2, is who is speaking
Column 3, is spoken TEXT from the film
PLEASE NOTE -- Some of the interrogation questions DO REPEAT, as tho
duplicated, but are on separate consecutively numbered pages in the
transcript... Spelling errors appear in the original]
P I L O T S I N P Y J A M A S
243. Photo Lieutenant Commander Schmidt
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SMITH 324 COMPELLING CASES
North Vietnam Hubert C. Nichols,Jr.
(0443)
On September 1, 1966, Nichols was scrambled from Thailand on a
search and rescue mission over Bo Trach District, Quang Binh, the
flight leader in a flight of two aircraft. While over the target
area he began to receive hostile antiaircraft fire. His wingman
was hit and turned back. He never saw Nichols after that point.
A Navy pilot later reported observing a crashed and burning
aircraft in the area Nichols was believed lost. A search and
rescue mission was launched but was unable to locate any signs of
life or any beeper. There was heavy antiaircraft in the area.
On September 6, 1966, Radio Hanoi announced the shoot down of a
number of aircraft on September 1, 1966. Only two aircraft were
lost on that date, Major Nichols' aircraft and Major Norman
Schmidt's aircraft. Major Schmidt was captured and died in
captivity. His remains were repatriated in March 1974. Major
Schmidt had been the object of Major Nichols search and rescue
mission.
Major Nichols was initially declared missing in action. In March
1978 he was declared dead/body not recovered. He was not confirmed
alive in the northern Vietnamese prison system.
A U.S. team in Vietnam recently reviewed documents which recorded
the shoot down of an aircraft and the apparent death of the pilot.
The date and location appear to correlate to this incident.
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